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Medicinal plants
« on: September 24, 2010, 11:03:16 AM »
Dear George,

So nice of you to drop a reminder to pull me back to Nature.
We are always so short of time, many interest, too little time and top priority takes over.

Had many ambitious ideas and just stealing time here and there.
Whatever  Sat. ew I had, I had started combing neighbourhood for
local medicinal plants - photo and hand sketch.. just a beginning.
Never know what's going to happen to this journey.

An awaking call after seeing so many friends and relative fall pray to all sorts of ailment
which can be cured usng herbal medicinal plants.

I had bad jaundicies when I was 15.  My mum got a pig's bladder and
stuff it with some dried berries and double boil it .  I drank for about
a week and the jaundice was gone.  I was fed with all sorts of herbal
stuff, so I was stronger than anyone else .   

I am going to say "let me organize..".forget it, never does.
will post some photos over this weekend with the cure properties.

cheers and have a good weekend guys.. 

 
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Medicinal Plants
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2010, 11:56:10 AM »
Hi Jessie

Its good to hear from you again!
How are things in Singapore?

Thats an interesting message you have posted :)
I have taken the liberty to split your posting from its original location to give it a dedicated topic and subject.
It deserves this topic of its own

Tell us more about your local medicinal plants so we can get others to contribute with medicinal plants in their regions, and any experiences they have had in using medicinal plants.
You have already made a strong case for knowing more about them with your mothers cure for Jaundice.


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« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2010, 04:56:45 PM »
That's a very interesting topic you have raised Jessie, and is deserving of its own dedicated section in the Forum.

This is just one of the fears of the chopping down of rain forests around the world.  Not only the wildlife that is being driven out and becoming extinct, but the plants that are also being lost that could have a potential cure for many of our modern diseases.

Aspirin, just to name one such medicine came from a forest.  How many more cures could be discovered if the environment concerned can just be protected.

It will be interesting to learn of any other success stories involving local herbal compounds from our members, not only from different regions within the UK but in other countries too.
 
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Re: Medicinal plants
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2010, 12:45:52 PM »
Thanks for the encouragement guys !

During my rainforest guiding, there are quite a number of trees in the little Botanical Garden
we have which are researched by the British (of course) to contain cure for aids and other
ails.   There are alot used by local, when the various ethnic groups arrived from China,
India, Europeans and of course the native Malays.

I have a long list, how shall I start???  I am no good with blogs link, in fact quite bad
in the technical dept.

Latest plant I found and was told is the Elephantopus, native Malay name is  Tutup(close) Bumi (floor)
cuz the leaves formed a rosette and covers the ground.   Chinese is Titantou (literally means ground gal lhead).
For blood cancer, we uses 5 to 6 bundles of roots,clean, boil with lean meat, and drink the water daily.  Of course
have to check the diet too. 
In Chinese diagnosis, we classify the body as Hot(heaty), warm, cool and cold and uses the herbs in contrast..meaning
if the body is hot as in the case of  gum swell, lips crack, bad breath, constipation.. etc. this is a sign of hot (heaty)
so we have to drink cooling herbs like ginseng roots (American).  (Ginseng body (Korean red ginseng)  is consider as heating up our body system)
 

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Re: Medicinal plants
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2010, 10:49:27 AM »
Jessie's posting on medicinal herbs brought back some memories/experiences for me regarding the value of medicinal herbs. Before I retired, I had about three months holiday each year, two of which were in the summer and so, having a great interest in herbs, I used to have a stall, one day a week during the holiday period, on a (then) local market selling herb plants and honey from my bees. The main objective being in some small way to further interest in the subject. For each herb, I put up a card with essential info. e.g. where and how to grow them, their uses etc. The market manager always said that it was more like and exhibition (!?!) and asked me to move onto the larger market about a hundred and fifty yards away in the main square. However, though that may have been more lucrative, it didn't have the easy, stop and chat potential of the smaller market. Customers ranged from those who knew virtually nothing of herbs to people who related to me cures that their mothers and grandmothers knew. Brilliant - nothing better than two way learning!

One person related to me how a relative was so ill with a chest problem that the doctor had advised that the poor woman had not long to live so that any family who wanted to see her alive should not be slow in visiting. However, when the doctor visited next, the woman was sitting up in bed chatting away happily. His reaction: "Good God, I know what's done that - Elecampagne!". One of the family, on hearing of her condition had travelled down from the north with some Elecampagne root and administered it. But what kind of society do we live in where such a thing can happen - a doctor knows the solution but does nothing about it!?

One sometimes tends to think that things are common knowledge so we make no menation. Often it's not the case. For instance, talking to the manager of a local leisure/garden centre he mentioned a friend who had terrible migraines (a big bloke who owned a fish and chip shop and whom he had seen crying with the pain). I called in later and gave him a few plants of Feverfew and advised taking a few leaves in a salad sandwich (to disguise the bitter taste) when he had a recurrance. It solved his problem.
Some while later, I had a message from the same manager asking if I knew of anything for his Sciatica. He said that he'd been to see specialist all over the place but he still had the pain, and the pain killers that he was given were making him almost unable to work. Anyway I suggested a homeopathic preparation and the next time I went in to see him (several weeks since I was on summer vacation), he greeted me with a broad smile, arms raised in the air and said that the pain was completely gone and hadn't returned - the first relief that he'd had in years.

I used to get bitten by very small oblong shaped flies when I lived on the border of Clumber Park. Sometimes my hands would swell up like balloons from these bites. Once, bitten on the face, I was barely recognisable. I got some tincture of Pyrethrum and provided I put a very tiny drop on the bite not too long after being bitten, I wouldn't even itch let alone being a pretty good impression of the Mitchelin man.

I could go on but not wishing to bore any more than I may have already done, I'll just say that however much herbal and homeopathic remedies are derided, I think it better to go by personal experience. No one can guarantee any cure for any thing but I really have experienced many positive results - and for any who consider such things to be anything to do with psychology, placebo's etc. I know of a farmer who has saved himself a fortune on vet bills by treating his cows with a few drops of a homeopathic tincture in their water. And I cured one of a small herd of goats that I had of an apparently 'incurable' dis-ease. And they have no idea even that they are being treated!

Look forward to seeing other posts from Jessie or anyone with info/experiences re. the subject.


Trevor
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« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2010, 11:56:43 AM »
Your posting is very interesting and fascinating Trevor, and certainly NOT boring  :)

If you have come across any other successful remedies that you have not already mentioned, I'm quite sure the majority of our members would be keen to read about them.
Nothing people say on the Forum is 'boring' so don't be put off by that.  There will always be someone who will appreciate topics like this one.

I echo Trevor's request for other members to relate their, or friends/relatives, experiences with medicinal herbs.

Trevor, your mention of Feverfew for migraines sounds especially interesting from a personal point of view.  Kathy gets regular migraines every 2 weeks (hormone related according to our GP) and takes prescription meds (which we have to pay for) to help control the pain.  Certainly worth looking this one up.  ;D

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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2010, 12:36:15 PM »
Feverfew can certainly help some people Laurie and it's well worth Kathy trying it. Whenever I see the plant I wonder how many people walk past it with a migraine, not knowing it's potential. It does taste quite bitter hence taking it with something else. Obviously a salad sandwich is the thing that immediately comes to mind. My wife, who is a bit skeptical about such things, had a migraine and I got her to take some. The migraine vanished very quickly. However - and this I don't understand - she still takes extra strong paracetamol!?!?!

Something that you may be interested in if you still have any discomfort re. your accident: Arnica is a valuable aid for bruising/aching and can speed up the healing process considerably. Taken as a homoeopathic dosage available even from Boots the Chemist, it's available in either a 6th potency or 30th (this works at a deeper level and is the maximum dosage available to non professionals) potency. The higher the potency number, the more dilute is the preparation and the stronger the effect.

A handy little book usable by anyone is 'HOMOEOPATHY: A practicale guide to natural medicine' by Phyllis Speight. It gives a host of remedies for many common complaints, guides as to what dosages, and there are some case studies also. All in a very concise, easy reference form. Tap  'Homoeopathy by Phyllis Speight' into Amazon and it will come up with a number of books by her, most of which are very cheap. The one I mentioned is available used from 1p!
A 'Materia Medica' is a reference tome for the same subject but much more complex.

PS
Rhus toxicodendron (homoeopathic term for poison ivy), might be of special interest to gardeners. It's a remedy for muscular stiffness either from over-exertion or from exposure to cold and wet!
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« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2010, 12:59:51 PM »
Excellent advice and information again there Trevor.

You've certainly given us some great stuff to look into.  Those books sound very useful too.  8)

We'd never really considered Homoeopathy until now, even though we were aware of it.

You've now given some fantastic examples of it in use and it's successes.

Keep it coming.  ;)

Laurie.
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Re: Medicinal plants
« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2010, 05:07:10 PM »
Jessie will be delighted to see others joining in on this topic.
Good work indeed Trevor. An education for me  :)

Its good to have a forum discussion on the topic so we can relate our own experiences.
Helps differentiate between old wives tales and something that has worked for our very own members.

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Re: Medicinal plants
« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2010, 12:33:59 PM »
Mary's unfortunate accident reminded me of the use of Comfrey (Symphytum, or the old name country name 'Knit-bone'). Not exactly the time of year for harvesting comfrey leaves but often it's in someone's garden or vicinity and I suppose almost everyone knows of it's value put in a muslin bag and hung/dropped in the rainwater butt. Maybe fewer know of it's value as a poultice for broken/fractured bones. A relative, a nurse, used it on her damaged foot/ankle (can't quite remember exactly). The doctors in here own hospital were amazed at her quick return to work after they had predicted a much longer recovery time. Maybe it's worth storing a few leaves in case of emergencies in the out of season period. There's some growing near where I live but it looks in a really sorry state after the recent weather - just a mush of leaves. A friend once said to me that the old guys with knowledge of country matters used to say "If a pigs ill and it won't eat comfrey, it will die". I don't know how true that is.

Further to the earlier postings on herbs etc., some readers may be interested in a herbalist by the name of Maurice Messegue. He has a number of books on the market. He's French, and not allowed legally to practice in France but he treats many prominent figures and it seems that they pay his fines. I believe that Winston Churchill called on his services and also read somewhere or other that when the police paid one of their periodic 'visits' he was consulting with one of our own royal family. It's seems that they made a somewhat embarrassed retreat.

Comfrey also has rather small but very pretty and intense blue flowers. I love 'em.

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« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2010, 09:54:21 PM »
Very interesting Trevor!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfrey

I don't know the plant even though (from the Wiki):
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It is native to Europe, growing in damp, grassy places, and is widespread throughout Ireland and Britain on river banks and ditches.

I'm sure there are commercial offerings available in the health shops. Do you know of any?





 

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« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2011, 11:51:34 AM »
I've not seen anything in the shops George but then I've never specifically looked either. Here are a couple of links. One has got various preparations for sale and the other has lots of information. A tincture, if you're not sure what it is, is the pure extract of a plant in alcohol and looks like water. A tiny drop of tincture of Pyrethrum I found to be excellent for stings/insect bites for instance. Browsing for 'comfrey leaves' will bring up a whole load of stuff. The best garden one is probably a comfrey known as Bocking 14 and it's available from the Organic Gardening catalogue http://www.organiccatalogue.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1492. You get 5 plants for £6.35. Different strains of the plant have slightly different coloured flowers. The one I mentioned down the road from me is a particularly beautiful blue. I'll get some seed from it next season if I can. You said that you didn't know the plant - well the link for the 'organiccatalogue' will give it's uses in the garden.

 http://www.aromantic.co.uk/buy-comfrey-leaves-organic-herb-uk.htm

http://woodlandherbs.co.uk/acatalog/Comfrey_Herb_Page.html

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« Reply #12 on: January 01, 2011, 12:05:20 PM »
Useful links there Trevor. Thank you once again.

I wonder if Eric (palustris) has ever tried this remedy?