Multiple specimens of same plant in different garden areas

[Trevor Ellis]

I have three plants each of the same genus,species and cultivar. One of them is recorded as a specimen and allotted to a garden area. The other two plants need to be recorded each as specimens and each one of them to be allotted to different garden areas. Would you mind running through the procedure to do this George - for the life of me I can't remember. I thought that the method may be to use 'Duplicate plant' but I just get notification that the plant already exists. Can't find any 'how to' references in the tutorials either. I thought that maybe I could add a different digit to the end of each plant and that might allow them to be recorded as separate specimens. Just like to be clear re. the best/correct method.

Cheers,

Trevor

[ideasguy]

Hi Trevor

Each plant in Ideas Genie has one plant profile and all its associated data.
That plant can have multiple specimens.
You have created one specimen.

Method 1
To create another, edit the plant again in GA004, GA037, GA027 etc and get into GA100S36 and click the Specimens button.
You then click the Add button and get to screen GA100S23 and compose the data for your specimen.

Method 2
An alternative method is described in this project:-
http://www.ideasforgardens.net/wolbdemo/

This link jumps to adding a specimen in that project:
http://www.ideasforgardens.net/wolbdemo/html/specimens.html

and when you get to Page 5 it shows the screen GA100S23 exactly as method 1 above:
http://www.ideasforgardens.net/wolbdemo/html/specimens5.html

Howzat?

[Trevor Ellis]

Thanks George,
I was going through that procedure already but in the 'Specimen name' in GA100S23 I was putting Dryopteris affinis 'Cristata' in the second and third acquisitions since that is their name and was getting a rejection pop-up since the specimen name already existed. Putting Dryopteris affinis 'Cristata' A2 and Dryopteris affinis 'Cristata' A3 in the relevant 'Specimen name' boxes solved the problem. By the way I did find that I couldn't enter the full taxonomic entry i.e Dryopteris affinis 'Cristata' The King. This one is a bit confusing since some suppliers list, describe and display photographs of that plant and Dryopteris affinis 'Cristata as different plants. I do seem to remember that in the past I've not been able to enter the full name of a plant since there has not been enough space. Would it be easy to allow more space in that box George?

The next query (sorry George) is this:

I linked a photograph of Dryopteris affinis 'Cristata' A1, which I have had the longest with no problem except that the same photograph became automatically linked to A2 and A3 both of which are much younger plants. Is there a way of linking only the specific photograph/s of each individual acquisition to each plant so that there is a photographic record of each plant's progression?

[ideasguy]

I may drop the Specimen name in the next version Trevor.
Currently it demands a unique name within a Genus.

It was provided at design time for identification, but I have a feeling it is unnecessary.
The Accession No is sufficient to identify a specimen.

You can link photos to Specimens as follows:
Use (e.g.) Quick Link Photos - GA030.
Select a photo in the initial screen GA030S01 and click the Plant Photo button.
Screen GA030S03 appears.
In the upper part of the screen you will see two pageframe tabs:

• Photo details
• Specimens

Select a plant.
If it has specimens, the Specimens tab is enabled.
Click that tab and select the required specimen.

Howzat?

[Trevor Ellis]

Hi George

I used the GAO30 sequence, checked that everything pointed the image to the correct specimen etc but the photograph was still also appearing attached to the other two specimens as well. I've checked and rechecked everything several times but still can't the photograph to attach solely to the single specimen.
I've un-linked all images to the species to provide a 'clean sheet' and re-tried but still the same thing happens.

Hair pulling out time - any thoughts (about the photo's - not the hair)?

Cheers,

Trevor

[ideasguy]

Hi Trevor

A design feature there.
Ive made it so that when you click a plant, ALL photos appear, irrespective of which specimen the photo is linked to - the reason being it would cause much more confusion if you'd linked a photo and nothing showed up at plant selection level e.g. in GA037.

The difference is when you reach the screen GA100S20.
Try this:
Link plant A to a photo - don't link the photo to a specimen
Link plant B to a photo - link the photo to a specimen
In GA037, play with selecting Plant A then Plant B.

In screen GA100S01, Select plant,  Right click on the image
Screen GA100S20 appears.
For plant A, there will be 2 tabs: Photograph and Notes about this Photograph

Now choose Plant B, right click on image, get screen GA100S20.
Three additional tabs appear:
Specimen Notes , Specimen Profile  and Specimens

Howzat?

[Trevor Ellis]

Thanks George - that sounds fair enough. Out of interest I'll have a play with what you've suggested. I think that the easiest solution to my query though will be to remember to add the acquisition number in the name of the plant when I transfer from camera to computer so that it appears with each photograph e.g. instead of just the photograph number say 'Blechnum spicant 001', I'll record 'Blechnum spicant A3 001' for the first photograph of the third specimen/acquisition. Then even though all the images appear in whichever IG program, photo reference of the particular plant is quick and easy. This works perhaps even better than what I was initially trying to do because as well as identifying each acquisition/specimen easily, there is also immediate photographic reference to how the other acquisitions/specimens are faring/developing etc. without flipping back and forth from specimen to specimen. Maybe everyone already does this but if not it may be a useful tip for anyone else who wants to compare the progress of different specimens of the same plant in different conditions etc. etc.  I just thought that I was going wrong somewhere in trying to link only a particular photo to a particular specimen/acquisition.

PS: I'll try and regrow the hair.

Best regards,

Trevor

[ideasguy]

Thats a new one on me Trevor, but its a good system!
As in your other posting, you could leave the renaming until youve done the linking and rename the photo in GA100S20.

RE:

I'll try and regrow the hair.

Have a word with Wayne Rooney

[Trevor Ellis]

OK -  I'll pass the message over to my stepdaughter. Her godfather's son plays for M.U. maybe he can get the word to Wayne! - copy and out George.

Cheers,
Trevor

[ideasguy]

What's his name Trevor?

[Trevor Ellis]

Andy Cleverley - his son plays for United.

[ideasguy]

Is this the boy?
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/sport-news/man-utd-fc/2012/09/28/tom-cleverley-delighted-to-break-his-manchester-united-fc-duck-55578-31923128/
Hes showing promise Trevor. Hes still young and a bright future ahead. I'll look out for him with particular interest now

[Trevor Ellis]

Yep - correct George.

[ideasguy]

Champions league CFR Cluj -v- Man United.
He played the full match tonight and played very well Trevor!
A good win away against the Romanian champions

[Trevor Ellis]

I have to admit George that I fell asleep not long after half time. No reflection on the match - just have an awful bug at the moment and couldn't keep awake. I think though that there's a lot of promise in what is effectively a rehashed team that needs to 'bed in'.

Cheers,

Trevor

[ideasguy]

Tut tut Trevor

The news this evening led with a story about "Goal of the season" scored today by.... (fanfare!!)

[Trevor Ellis]

Yes - was quite a good one George. I think it looked like a placed shot rather than a fluke  'hoof into the box' as well.

[ideasguy]

It sure was a spectacular goal by young Tom Cleverley, Trevor. The intention of the shot was a subject of debate by the pundits on Match of the Day .
In any case  you'll see that one many many times in the future